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Little Bolshevik

Your idea for a 4-D idea market (tunnel of time) appears to be founded on a principle and/or assumption that the ability of the human race to simulate the dilemmas of life will inevitably expand, causing us to find solutions much faster. More importantly however you seem to communicate that while our technology is growing more complex, there is another far more compelling story. In our adoption of new technologies, we ourselves are changing. Our collaborative abilities are being enhanced, as is our ability to understand our own environment in real time. With a tunnel of time we could move beyond the mere genesis of an idea, and simulate it's real time plausibility, it's ability to resolve our current dilemma.

Jerry Paffendorf

Yo Alvis,

I'm in DC busy working on The Happening through the weekend and want to jump on this more next week. Check out this short video of Mirror Worlds author David Gelernter talking about a coming shift in our perception of time. Here's the abstract, entitled Streams:

"When we ask ourselves what the effect will be of time coming into focus the way space came into focus during the 19th century, we can count on the fact that the consequences will be big. It won't cause the kind of change in our spiritual life that space coming into focus did, because we've moved as far outside as we can get, pretty much. We won't see any further fundamental changes in our attitude towards art or religion all that has happened already. We're apt to see other incalculably large affects on the way we deal with the world and with each other, and looking back at this world today it will look more or less the way 1800 did from the vantage point of 1900. Not just a world with fewer gadgets, but a world with a fundamentally different relationship to space and time. From the small details of our crummy software to the biggest and most abstract issues of how we deal with the world at large, this is a big story."

As you know, Gelernter's one of my fave's and I really want to see Mirror World up there with Metaverse in thinking about the future of the Web. When I get back to NY I'll whip out the book and drop some passages on you about "topsight." He's got some stuff in there about an interface with a nob you can twist back and forth to take a Google Earth-style environment forwards and backwards in time.

alvisbrigis

In response to Jerry's post:

"An interface with a nob you can twist back and forth to take a Google Earth-style environment forwards and backwards in time" is an awesome concept that seems inevitable to me. Barring a nuclear holocaust, this is a reference tool that will get made, 1) because of the tremendous efficiency value it can generate and 2) because all the pieces necessary to make one (Google Earth, bottom-up VWs, Web 2.0, OGLE) have popped into existence, minus the affordable computer processing power, which is well on the way.

I think Gelertner is dead on in that humanity should expect a paradigm shift in the way we view space and time, and I think that a tunnel of time 4-D wiki representing all Earth systems is a really good way to diffuse new concepts about broad social behavior in a space-time context, in addition to being an awesome and highly versatile information structure. I think that such structures are inevitable because they already exist in individual brains in the form of causal simulations and memes, and that a "Gelertner Globe", if I may advance the term, is simply an aggregate of myriad externalized inner Tunnels of Time. It seems like a flow of information all being funneled toward a grand Total 4-D System Simulation.

Via humans and the technology we generate, the Earth system seems to be quantifying itself and storing that information in a very compressed space (computer memory and human brains). I suspect that this has happened before in the biological history of the Earth via much slower mechanisms (RNA, DNA)and that periods of punctuated equilibrium likely came when small organisms with bigger and better systems understaing, and hence better behavior, all of a sudden tore down the system that initially gave them life. Perhaps the Kurzweilian singularity represents another such point in the development of our planetary system.

Obviously I still need to read that f'n Gelertner book, some Biological History and stuff about Complex Adaptive Systems (which would also diminish my Reality TV Futurist Rogue status), but it seems like the stuff is all linking together, and it's sure fun to think about.

Good luck with The Happening, the midwife for yet another dimensional portal! I'll try to pop in via SL.

alvisbrigis

I was trying to think up a snazzier name for 4-D Idea Markets. How about MEST Markets, Systems Markets or Space-Time Markets? Any other fun labels?

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